Volt proposing a (transition towards a) resource based economy?

True, it’s just a new direction towards something better. It’s not the end goal. Socialism and any other ism are also not what we want, we already established that. But capitalism is what we have now. Voting for political parties that advocate a new direction that may move us towards an RBE is important. Because it softens the radical change towards a steady state economy.

You kind of make me the devil’s advocate again here :speak_no_evil: But you do have the choice where to work. You can also start your own business. Businesses often have a workers council which you can join (if you get elected) to influence decisions. For some companies you can also buy stocks to gain influence. This already exists. And yes, it’s used also that way.

In the company where I work the workers council is pushing for sustainability. We now have Fairphones as an option next to Samsung and iPhone devices. We are experimenting with Framework laptops as an extra option next to MacBooks and Dell laptops. We don’t replace these devices anymore, unless they are really broken and cannot be repaired. We monitor our energy usage more and implement energy storage (solar and heat storage). We do more things, such as implementing open-source as much as possible and by default serve vegetarian lunches, but they are less special I suppose. A new direction is shaping up everywhere.

It can also mean people vote for a total different direction. Voting only works if people are well informed and take into account the greater good. This is also why TZM is an educational movement and not a political party. Democracy is key in a free and open society, and full democratic rights may help. But I personally wouldn’t spend time and energy on making companies fully democratic. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t :wink:

One of the things I noticed in TZM is that we sometimes see positive change, but then disregard it because it’s not in the most purist form we desire. What Volt is proposing is a new direction that aligns us more with an RBE. Are we really going to just ignore them and keep on dreaming that there will be a perfect transition? Volt is a decentralized movement on a continental scale, proposing a transition into the right direction. Almost every EU country has a Volt chapter. TZM chapters can just ride that wave. It’s not about working hard, but working smart :nerd_face:

I said that in the context of people framing capitalism for problems, while it’s actually the infinite growth paradigm. Which is present in all isms. So blaming capitalism is in my opinion not a correct conclusion. Because by blaming one ism, you open the path to promote the next ism, which will not solve the core underlying issue. I find the anti-capitalist posts on social-media a bit cringe because of that. Let’s just define it a more precise way and blame the whole market system for being a cancer that wants to grow until the host dies :skull_and_crossbones:

I don’t know why you say this. I’ve put a disclaimer on many of my posts. I don’t root for capitalism. It just happens to be the infinite growth flavor in the countries with the most wealth, highest standards of living, technology, science and sustainability practices. These countries also have free press, speech and democracy. They are also not practicing religion that much. These things are essential to promote an RBE. We cannot have a TZM in Russia, China or North Korea. Also not in the Middle East. And other countries are either too poor or autocratic to talk about these things. So in my opinion, the best countries that act as a staging ground for an RBE, are capitalist countries that have these positive triads (mostly Western European countries). Not because these are the best, but simply because there is nothing better at the moment (IMHO).

It’s a transition. It’s not the final stop. If you switch trains halfway your destination, it doesn’t mean you’re there yet. But you’re getting closer. Implementing the things that Volt proposed are not too radical, and not impractical. I think that’s a very important formula. It needs to be practical and acceptable. Once we get there to what Volt is proposing, we can focus on the next step. And of course, Volt can update their direction based on that.

The goal shouldn’t be to destroy capitalism, we need to outgrow it. Having a hostile approach against a system will not get you the momentum to change things. Use what’s already here and amplify it towards a new direction until the original state of that system becomes obsolete. Otherwise you’ll get resistance and things will not materialize.

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