Volt proposing a (transition towards a) resource based economy?

Do you have more info on that? A localized energy grid should be in those steps, because why would that complicate things? I wonder what they mean in detail.

It’s not that mono culture, at least not in nl. And vertical farms are great, but you cannot grow everything that way. The biggest applications are lettuce farms. I guess we can both agree we cannot survive on lettuce :slight_smile: There are some developments into making more protein and carb rich crops, but these developments are to my knowledge not mature enough yet.

I added the local grids in step 2. It’s still oversimplified though.

Yes, but we are making progress towards more sustainable agriculture. You also have other technologies in “development”, like aquaponics, aeroponics and hydroponics.

But monocultures are basically everywhere else in the world, even in ro.

Oh okay, I thought this list was from Greenpeace.

They have the same limitations. The only thing aquaponics adds is fish, which is a great protein source of course. But it will then be lettuce with fish :clown_face: I’m of course being a bit sarcastic, but vertical farms haven’t really come up with a protein and carb rich “menu” to actually replace the current paradigm. I could be wrong, if so, please create a topic about that. We could create a topic tracking all the developments, like we already do for energy and other things.

True, and also in nl, to be more exact, there are rules on how to rotate your crops so that you don’t deplete the top soil that much. There are also moments you have to have animals on the field or less demanding crops. It’s the best we can do now to maintain our current population, health and stable income for the farmers. Because it works best to have one crop and then use a machine to maintain and harvest it, in straight lines.

I actually made the list by myself using a template.

Wagenigen claims that it’s possible to grow protein-richer plants like soybean and offers a guide:

https://www.wur.nl/en/Research-Results/Research-Institutes/plant-research/greenhouse-horticulture/show-greenhouse/Protein-rich-crops-Growing-soybean-in-vertical-farms.htm

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It didn’t happen the way you think it happened. They bought the license of the almost defunct party from the previous owners. Then they turned the party into a covert neo-fascist party. Fortunately they don’t get much traction because their leader isn’t charismatic.

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Considering that I was simplistic and too quick to argument about radical change, I unintentionally subverted the meaning beyond what would be considered a reformist revolution (because I was too quick and heavy-handed), one my core values of making more radical changes via smaller, incremental reforms in a slight accelerated pace that would still be acceptable to most others. Basically, it’s a form of “accelerated” change that does not rely on some form of destruction.

Now I decided to delete the last argument as to prevent further subversion on how I want change to be made. Because when I’m wrong about the way I want change to be made, I may be perceived too revolutionary, which I’m not.

Please don’t remove things from old comments, unless you fix typos or rephrase existing arguments. Otherwise the conversation becomes hard to follow when people read this :wink:

A reply here to that text would’ve been better.

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Politiscales asked me whether I would use violence and heavy-handed actions to advance my cause or prefer using reform and step-by step changes. I mostly answered that I would prefer to use reform over revolution, so I got this score.

I do not really support the destruction of any particular system, contrary to what I might say due to being too quick and less thoughtful (Politiscales involves reading the prompts carefully and selecting the level of agreement you have with the prompts, so here, I have been more careful)

Reform to revolution should be the default principle when we want to make well-thought change.